1910 Cincinnati Gas Fireplace
with tip-n-slide damper

From: Homeesquires@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006
Subject: Fireplace Question from Cincinnati
To: buckley@rumford.com

Hi Jim,

I wrote you from my other email address in early November about a fireplace I have in an old Cincinnati building, built circa 1910. You indicated that if I sent you pictures, you could tell me more.

The fireplace is 24 inches wide, 14 inches deep, and 28 inches high in the front and about 21 inches high in the back. The roof of the fire place curves up from the back toward the higher point in the front.

One of my workers, who has extensive experience in masonry, said the brick is fire worthy for wood. When they cleaned the grate, they said it looked like creosote from wood having been burned.

As you can see, however, it had a gas line going to it. The gas line now has no gas, and I can't find where the gas pipe comes out in the basement to attach it to gas. If I could, that would solve my problem. I just want to generate some heat from the thing, and the electric fireplaces don't put out much heat for the cost.

The flue that comes out the roof through the chimney is a clay round pipe that is only 4 inches in diameter. Is this big enough to draw a wood fire? We did test the draw by burning paper, and it draws well.

As you can see, the grate (damper) does open both ways, as you indicated: side to side and up and down, but when you push it up to open it, it only opens about 1/2 inch.

My problem is that there is a fireplace below it, and I don't want to tear out walls trying to re-do the chimney or run a new gas line.

I greatly appreciate your advice in this regard. It is very kind of you to offer to share your expertise with someone who is so far away.

Thanks for any advice and suggestions you can give me.

What would happen if I tested it and built a small fire? If it worked, how would I know it was safe? We had a chimney sweep look at the chimney and it was totally clean.

Barbara Young


It's a lovely period fireplace in good condition but it almost certainly would smoke if you burned wood in it and it may not be safe or built to code.

About safety and code first: You can read the current code on fireplaces at http://www.rumford.com/code/IRC06.html The things I would look at are wall thickness and clearance from combustibles. The firebox should be at least 8" thick, the hearth 4" thick and no combustibles in contact under the hearth or within 2" of the firebox walls. Chimneys must be lined with clay flue liners and have walls at least 4" thick and 2" clear of combustibles. Many old houses had chimney built in contact with combustible framing but still may be safe if they are massive enough or thick enough. See article at http://www.rumford.com/certification/firesafety.html

Perhaps you can tell by the construction that the firebox walls and hearth are plenty thick enough, but I do warn you that many fireplaces built in the first two decades of the 20th century were not safely built for wood-burning. Gas fireplaces had been the rule since about 1890, a return to the popularity of wood-burning was just beginning, most masons had no idea how to build a fireplace and modern codes were just developing. When I was doing this sort of work I learned to be radical and remove the old firebox and hearth to make sure there were no combustibles and start with a new 4" thick concrete hearth base with no combustible forms left underneath. This was after one of my customers set fire to the framing under the hearth extension because the tile hearth, which five or six inches thick, was filled with wood lath scrap wood mixed in with the plaster.

The next issue will be that the fireplace smokes. It may draw, as you say, with a little piece of paper - meaning only that the chimney is clear and tall enough - but a 4" diameter flue is not nearly big enough. You will need a flue at least 8" in diameter or an 8"x12" clay flue. Also the damper in your fireplace is too low and the rounded fireback will surely kick smoke out into the room. See the way modern fireplaces work at http://www.rumford.com/certification/design.html#rumod

I think you have two choices:

1) Rebuild the fireplace as a Rumford fireplace with a new 8" diameter flue. You may find an adjacent flue - maybe one that originally vented a coal furnace - that you could line with an 8" stainless steel flue liner. Rebuilding would allow you to verify the construction and be sure it's safe. You might be able to do the work entirely through the firebox opening although I would look into removing and resetting the tile surround as that would be much easier. See some examples of this sort of work at http://www.rumford.com/victorian.html

2) Accept that it's a gas fireplace. There are small period-looking vent free gas fireplaces on line at places like the Victorian Fireplace Shoppe at http://www.gascoals.net/Accessories/GasCoalBaskets/tabid/407/Default.aspx But be careful. The appliance must be listed and probably listed as vent free. The National Fuel Gas Code requires all non listed gas log sets to be installed only in code-compliant solid fuel-burning fireplaces.

Hope this helps.

Best, Jim Buckley

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